Stimulus Bill: Explained

[fire_storm]

You can't be bipartisan with a group of people intent on being obstructionists. Somebody could discover the cure for every disease and Obama could try to pass a bill mandating that every American get a free dose and every Republican would still vote against such a measure simply to say that they did. They're all worried about primary challenges if they're seen "colluding with the enemy" and so instead of doing what's right, they're going to be spineless and just do what the party leadership dictates that they do. Obama tried to be bipartisan by taking into consideration Republican qualms, but eventually he came to realize that it was a fool's errand and decided to do what he thought was best for the country. You can't fault him for not succeeding, at the very least he tried.

 

That's pretty much what it comes down to.

 

Democrats and Republicans are exact opposites of each other and each have there own way of solving a problem. Bipartisanship doesn't exist when you have 2 political parties that are opposites. I doubt any Republican would have voted for the bill unless it had a lot of things Republicans approved of but if it went that far it wouldn't be a Democrat bill any more and if the bill worked the Republican would take all the credit and the Democratic party doesn't want that because there afraid they will loose big when election season comes around. It's also the same reason whey Republicans didn't vote for the bill because if it doesn't work they won't have some ammo to throw at the Democrats when election season comes around.

 

The only way to stop this 2 way of thinking is to abolish both Democrat and Republican parties and start a new way of thinking were you get elected to serve your country and state or district your representing not just your party or just voting yes or no to stay in office.

[MINDSCI]

Yea, Maybe if we just, oops, took out the congress and senate with say some mind-wipes (easily achieved with several TX's of Electroconvulsive Therapy).

We might end up with some open minded legislators that could solve a real problem. As things go now all we have are those "raging chimps" each trying to figure out how they can get the biggest banana for themselves!

[Compxpert]

Wow that story explains what the government does all the time.......

 

By that I mean fruitless endeavors.

[LoArmistead]

Yep, and did you hear Obama's latest promise? He says he'll cut the deficit in half by 2013.

 

chew on that for a second...

 

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yep, that's right...2013 would be in his SECOND term (if re-elected). You know...that way, if it's not done by the election, he can just claim his time frame isn't up yet, thus he hasn't failed.

 

Oh joy! Oh Happy, Happy Day! Cut it in HALF by 2013? That's fantastic! This is truly fiscal responsibility. Yay, Democrats!

 

Too bad, assuming it happens, the annual deficit will still be larger in real and nominal dollars than the deficit he inherited from Dubya in January.

 

Oops. So you're saying all we're going to be doing over the next four years is needlessly spending money we don't have? Indeed.

 

Wasn't our "outrageous" deficit one of the reasons this guy got elected? Now we're celebrating because he's telling us in four years that he will have the deficit down to being only 20% larger than it was when he took the reins. Too bad that's not even going to happen .

[road-runner]

That's because it's not change at all. The only thing different about Obama is his skin color. Everyone screams for bipartisanship and change, but that's just so they can get elected. The real crime is that people still buy it after all the countless times it's promised and not fulfilled.

 

The stimulus plan is a joke anyways. What they really need to do is nothing. Sit back and let the economy right itself like it's been trying to do for a long time now. But they'd never do that because they and their constituents are all too short-sighted to see that the stimulus isn't a good solution. So they'll keep artificially propping it up and pretending it's fine and in the end they'll just make the inevitable crash worse.

They will lie through there teeth to get in office, then do nothing they say, thats the way it has been and it does not look like nothing is going to change...

[Kash]

In this instance, I do not see that as being the case. He didn't even try. And IMO, I don't care if the bill is awesome, everyone that voted FOR it are complete morons in my book. I don't want my congressman signing off on any bill he hasn't read. If they write a bill that says every American gets a free dose of a cure-everything vaccine, but the bill is 1000 pages and Obama says "you must vote on this in 8 hours, or this message will self-destruct", I would want it voted against.

 

How could you say that when in the lead up to the bill the news was plastered with Obama's attempts at appeasing Republican leaders? I don't care much for the stimulus package either, but it's just disingenuous to state that Obama didn't make attempts to include the Republicans.

 

Democrats and Republicans are exact opposites of each other and each have there own way of solving a problem. Bipartisanship doesn't exist when you have 2 political parties that are opposites. I doubt any Republican would have voted for the bill unless it had a lot of things Republicans approved of but if it went that far it wouldn't be a Democrat bill any more and if the bill worked the Republican would take all the credit and the Democratic party doesn't want that because there afraid they will loose big when election season comes around. It's also the same reason whey Republicans didn't vote for the bill because if it doesn't work they won't have some ammo to throw at the Democrats when election season comes around.

 

This is patently false. The Democratic and Republican parties are essentially the same. They both stand for big government, lots of federal spending, and increased government presence in our everyday lives. The only difference is that each party has their own pet projects that they want to spend money on. The Republicans love spending money on defense, Democrats love spending money on welfare. Republicans like to cut taxes and then use the national credit card to pay for their projects. Democrats prefer to raise taxes to pay for their projects. Either way, our money is being spent on things that are not in our best interest.

 

What we need isn't to replace everybody in office. Power corrupts, you can replace every Congressman with saints and we'll be right back in this mess in a matter of weeks, if not days. It's how the game is played. To fix the problem we need to cut down the size of the government so that even if it's run by a bunch of lunatics it doesn't affect us that badly. This is how the framers set up the government and it's the only possible solution. Unfortunately, it's not in the government's interests to enact such a solution and as such all we can do is stall further growth or hope that the Republicans stop being such asshats and return to their fiscal responsibility roots.

[Rehit]

Eleven States Declare Sovereignty Over Obama

[Kamikaze_Badger]

A Conservative "underground" article. How cute.

[LoArmistead]

Eleven States Declare Sovereignty Over Obama's Action

by A.W.R. Hawkins (more by this author)

Posted 02/23/2009 ET

 

State governors -- looking down the gun barrel of long-term spending forced on them by the Obama "stimulus" plan -- are saying they will refuse to take the money. This is a Constitutional confrontation between the federal government and the states unlike any in our time.

 

In the first five weeks of his presidency, Barack Obama has acted so rashly that at least 11 states have decided that his brand of "hope" equates to an intolerable expansion of the federal government's authority over the states. These states -- Washington, New Hampshire, Arizona, Montana, Michigan, Missouri, Oklahoma, California, Georgia, South Carolina, and Texas -- have passed resolutions reminding Obama that the 10th Amendment protects the rights of the states, which are the rights of the people, by limiting the power of the federal government. These resolutions call on Obama to "cease and desist" from his reckless government expansion and also indicate that federal laws and regulations implemented in violation of the 10th Amendment can be nullified by the states.

 

this is as bipartisan as you can get...

states are doing this, not parties...

 

And God Bless them! Unfortunately it won't be enough to ebb the tide of the socialist hegemon that is overtaking these United States. We voted an extreme leftist into office, and gave him exactly what he wanted - a damn near super majority of fellow leftist politicians. Thus, we will get extreme leftism in return. Did we expect anything different? They promised Change We Can Believe In, and by God we're going to get it. I wonder how many people in the coming months will be saying, "Damn, I didn't know he meant that kind of change!" I'll just sit here and laugh.

[Kash]

A Conservative "underground" article. How cute.

 

If you look around you'll see that's more mainstream than you think. Here's a more reputable source for you:

 

Wall Street Journal - Several Republican Governors Decline Federal Stimulus Money

[ClayMeow]

How could you say that when in the lead up to the bill the news was plastered with Obama's attempts at appeasing Republican leaders? I don't care much for the stimulus package either, but it's just disingenuous to state that Obama didn't make attempts to include the Republicans.

Actions speak louder than words. I don't care what he CLAIMS he tried to do, he obviously didn't, and that was apparent in his rush job to get this bill out the door.

[Kash]

He invited Republican leaders to the White House, he went over to them on the Hill. What more do you want from the guy? You want him to wipe their asses after they're done shitting on his bill? Christ, some people...