Today's poll is going to be a simple Yes/No. With the recent announcement that Apple plans to start using Intel based processors for the Macintosh computers in 2006, has this made you consider buying a Mac? Keep in mind that this will still be a proprietary system, and Apple has said you will only be able to run Mac OS on their system.

Depends on how they end up performing.

Maybe if I had a lot of money and get one for school but problay will not buy a mac.

not really, i prefer the windows/linux pcs over macintosh ... i know they are great for video editing and sound boards (props to stage crew) but if they go x86 they would IMO lose that edge they have in that feild ... not to mention thier OS sucks (IMO)

Mac used to be cool because of the RISC archetecture.....

Now they'll be cool because they use...... Intel?

No thanks, I'll stick with my AMD thanks! Although, like I said before, I do consider ANY competition for windows to be a good thing, even if I don't plan to use it.

Didn't Mac use PPC after RISC? Or is PPC a variation of RISC? Baaaah, I'm confyewsatated... like when trying to write that "free porn" program that took advantage of markies code...



ON TOPIC NOW...


No, I wouldn't. Why? I hate OSX, I hate Macs. Why? Every time I've done any editing on them, I could of done it faster and more effeciently using software on an x86 rig running windows. Every time I would try to record sound, it would freeze. Renders take MUCH LONGER than with my PC.


And, the shell is too restricting.

I said i would use it. Although it will depend on its performance. I like macs because they are much better quality than PC's and i'm afraid they might lose it now that they are going the PC way. I guess we'll have to see what happens. i DO however love OS X. It's just much more stable than windows. My laptop has never locked up on me. My Windows machine has though. eh

Macs are not much better quality then PC's. I don't want to flame but don't make such bold statements. Macs are often "prettier" because of their inflated cost, any equivilent in cost pre-built will blow a mac away in "quality". Its not my opinion its fact. This is why MAC controls so little of the market. We will have to see. Windows is compatible with so much hardware and software, thats why it can be considered unstable, its not easy to keep up with the latest and greatest all the time. For OSX its not a problem because they don't have much to do other then make shiny cases. coughcoughjustlookattheipod

no i wouldn't. why? because i could never afford any computer over $200. lol

I would consider buying osx for the pc, but I will not buy anything proprietary. If I cant dual boot between windows, linux, and mac, they can forget about it.

NOPE! I wouldn't even consider it.

dude, have u ever used a mac? just holding one of their laptops, i can tell you that the materials are alot better. if you hold a dell laptop, it feels like cheap plastic. however my ibook doesnt. if you ever use a powerbook its even better cuz its made of aluminum. not to mention the things just last longer. my sister has a G3 iBook clamshell thing. its ugly, but it still works and its old as crap. at least 6 yrs. mac is very proprietary, which i dont like, however their stuff works like its supposed to so i cant complain. also, macs are not as expensive as you may think. my ibook was $996. a dell laptop equivalent in performance came out to be about $1200. (based on the 700m w/ Pentium M proc) as for making bold statements, unless you've owned one, or at least used one, you can't make judgments. I own both a mac and a windows computer. i like the quality of the mac, and the OS is much more stable, but i also prefer windows because of the rediculous software backing. plus i like my pc because i can upgrade it much easier. fact is, they both have their strong/weak points. its the same w/ any system.

*edit* also, lets not forget that OS X is more secure than windows. well, w/ tiger we have seen more security violations than any previous OS X, but hopefully they'll fix those. and 10.4 is still more secure than windows. haha Although, personally, i think some of the security is gonna go downhill now that they're gonna go to x86 and PC style stuff. One thing that helped keep OS X secure is the architecture. eh, all well.

Actually, the only reason it's more secure, for the most part, is because it's not used as much. If you were going to write a virus with the goal of say, DDoSing [myg0t], would you want a minority of computer users or a majority of computers for it to spread to? If I did (I'm not sayiing I have or will), you would want to do it for a windows rig.


The ONLY times that Windows has crashed on me is because of PEBCAK, ID10T, or overclocking. Most of the time, it's because of the fact that there's 5 people using IE on the computer upstairs without a firewall and without doing adware/spyware scans. If it's crashing on you alot, then I very much vote PEBCAK. Bad RAM timings, too little vcore, problem during installation, etc. They can all lead to Windows crashing on you.


Also, Windows gives much more power to the user, with Administrative tools and a better shell.

Omg, they have a pretty and sturdy casing! I can rice my case so it looks like a Cray, but does that make it compute multiple teraflops of data? craping hell no.

Like CO said, you're making VERY bold statements there. Also, the inside of a Mac is horrible, the way that they're built. A micro-ATX, crammed under a CRT, no fans whatsoever, with a hot processor. But, that dosn't matter because they have a vent, right? Pfft, there's no cover on my rig, with a custom HSF, I'm getting 50+C under load CONSTANTLY.

Compatability... as I stated before.

Also, I rather dislike the Mac community. From what I've seen at Mac addict forums, they think that all PC users are dumbasses. Yet, they brag about an easier to use interface. I disagree with them being good for video and image editing, based on my experience with OSX on an eMac. They either:

A. Lock up.

B. Refuse to write data to the hard drive properly.

So, there goes 3 hours of rendering because of incompetent programmers and engineers.





So, you got any more arguments?

actually, OS X is more secure because it is based on UNIX. I work w/ NASA and our primary concern is Security. There is a department on base whose sole job is to test the security of our systems. Windows is considered one of the least secure systems. Why do you think MS has to release a handful of updates every week? This isn't the case w/ OS X. well not until Tiger which has quite a few issues of its own right now due to its early release that was made just to meet a deadline.
As for the issue of macs looking nice, i wasn't talking about how they look but the materials they are made of. They are simply well built machines. Also, although the macs dont have tons of fans, that doesnt mean they aren't sufficiently cooled. my iBook barely ever uses its fan and it NEVER gets hot. even after a couple hours of listening to music, cruising the net, and chatting. (and watching some videos) The laptop its self is only warm to the touch. however if you use a dell laptop, after a couple hours of use it is usually screaming hot. especially if its been in your lap. i can leave my ibook on the floor running and it will never over heat. i have yet to figure out where it gets the air from though lol.
i do agree that the majority of the mac community bad mouths windows and pc users but are you not doing the same thing to them? I myself am partial to both sides. i like both systems for diff reasons. of course, my PC is much much better for gaming lol.
You say windows has more administrative features, however mac has all the same features, just not as easy use. If you know UNIX, the mac becomes alot more powerful. Also, since mac is based on Unix (darwin) then you can also install any UNIX prgm that is ported to darwin UNIX. i myself have installed several compilers that i use at school on Solaris 9.
Another very nice thing about OS X is it is much better at memory management. Basically, you never have to quit a program. when ur done using a program, you close the window but the prgm still runs. when you want to run it again, it loads up almmost instantly. I have never felt any system lag on my mac either because of too many programs running. and i only have 512MB of ram.
what you need to remember kid is that every system has its highs and its lows. a good example is a SUN machine. Complete garbage for video editing but awsome for programing. Mac's may not be gaming machines, but they are great machines for other things such as programing, and video editing. i know you had issues w/ the video editing thing but that is nothing more than User Error. It doesnt even sound like u were on a newer system lol. My school just built a mulimillion dollar Center for the Arts and they have an entire lab full of Dual G5's for video editing. Something tells me that if the PC were in fact better in this field, they would not have spent the money on the macs lol.

i voted no becuase i dont plan on ever willingly using a mac. only when forced to

i voted no because apple has said that it wont be compatable with any computer but there own....

otherwise i would buy it!

see, that i think is stupid. wouldnt it make more sense if you could use OS X on any x86 system? then the ppl who dont want to purchase their hardware, may still buy their OS. idk, thats just my 2 cents.

does mac using x86 cpus mean that they can now use advanced features like more than one mouse button?

until a mac can make me breakfast, i'll not buy one...

I would only buy one if I could build my own mac. I dont' think Apple will allow that to happen however.

hmm the only thing they would have to do now would be add another mouse button and weel and a couple of good games and id get one maybe

voted maybe, i like apple, and i like trying out something new. personally mac made a bad choice, its going to cost them alot to make sure thier software works on the newer platform. i remember having fun with os 8's network settings. all in all the idea of dual booting windows and osx is good, shlt, i should have voted yes then lol.

1 If Unix was used more, then it would be less secure because hackers would spend more time trying to crack it. The same thing goes for OSX.

2 Macs and ipods are so expensive because their cases cost more. If you build a pc, and use a $300 case, it will feel like a better case, right?

3 There is a reason why Apple is going for Intel processors. Power Pc processors do not offer enough power and produce too much heat it laptops.

Just my 2 cents.

the heat thing and stuff is just their newer stuff and i agree. the G4 was a great proc and works fine in laptops, but the G5 is just too hot for a laptop. As for number 2, i agree, im just comparing them w/ other premanufactured PC's. you can always build something better. Also, i think Windows is hacked alot not necessarily cuz lots of people hate it but because lots of people just hate microsoft since they are such a 'monopoly'. maybe not legally but it sure seems like it.

Wow. A lot more solid "No" replies than I expected. I would have guessed there would be more "maybe" replies than "no". Guess this is why I'm not a fortune teller.

Though it has only been one day. Maybe the numbers will change a bit more during the remaining time for the poll.

I won't buy one

sooner or later immam lose Windows... We'll see until Longhorn... =P If Longhorn provides good service. Longhorn it is. But an Apple is better at Window's weaknesses

not sure. owned a mac a long time ago. Not to thrilled with the os.

Problay because there still macs but us intel proccessors instead of ones made by mac.

I don't think I'll ever get one. If it weren't proprietary then I might. And if it were handed to me then sure I'd try it, but I won't go out and buy a Mac. NEVA!1!!!! Viva la PC!!!!

we were just using a dule g5 today.. we were running 23 video's with no slowdown.. at all.. !! they are great computers.. im happy the osx has come out. .and intel will make em that much better

thank god im not the only one on here who likes macs. there are alot of mac haters/pc fanboys on these forums. most of which havent even used a mac lol. i myself like both mac and PC. mac is really no different than dell except that macs actually work. dells are crappy quality, but are also proprietary. im not really partial to any system. i like diff systems for diff things. i like windows for gaming, and mac for prgming. i also like solaris systems for programming but ive never seen a solaris laptop haha so my laptop is a mac

Your not the only Mac person, I definately appreciate them. Took a video editing class where we had like 10 Macs and a couple PC's. No way in heck I'd ever use a PC for it. Plus the new OS looks so sexy and is actually stable! Even with XP fully updated I still have crashes about every other day.

Ive taken advanced media classes using both MACS and PC's. that notbook equivilent you speak of is a rip off, you could find a better one for cheaper iguarantee (if you tried), also its hard to make hardware estimates as both setups are different. Ive owned a mac, ive used them. There are many different PC manufacters so its difficult to compare the two at times. Again as I mentioned, you are correct about the materials, I would have to say the case quality and durability of Macs is superior to the average prebuilt pc manufacteres. Never the less there are exceptions. Also as KB said, its true that mac's are difficult to administrate due to their craptacular interface. Also your point about virus's and security doesn't stand much ground. People don't hack macs because they arn't worth the time when %95 of people use PC's. I can understand why you like macs, they are sexier then "most" of your common pre-builts, but the PC world owns.

I've never bought a fully config'd computer, but since Apple won't allow you to do that, I may actually have to break down and get one. I"ve wanted to for a while, but they are just too dang $$$. If I can mod-chip the new Intel architecture, I will try to build it though...

I like Macs, and would prefer to have an iMac or a MacMini over a Windows xxxx box. I don't really care about some flashy interface, I want the performance and stability - M$ can't do that.

I like Macs. I owned one until 2004, when I got the rig below. OS X is cool and all, but without many games for it that I like, I don't choose it over Windows. Sure windows crashes every once in a while for me, but the large amount of software for it makes up for that. Granted, I like editing videos on macs more than windows. If I can install OS X on my system and dual boot between XP and X, I might do that.

Now then, I must say that my Mac blew. iMac DV, slow slow slow. The 1GB of RAM I got for it didn't help much either. Good riddance iMac DV, you WON'T be missed.

That’s not true.. the reason apple is good with those things, is everything they make is designed to work with everything they make. So you get the maximum performance out of every single piece of hardware. Thus, regardless of the processor, mac's will still out perform pc's when they get there Intel chips.


EDIT: have you ever even used there OS? Have you used tiger? I doubt it. But ME being a person who works with apples every day for work, they are far better for a business environment or school environment than a windows pc.

The OS X Server allows you to set preferences down to a user/application based level, without having to make a group for that one application than making a GP, and assigning that GP to that group than adding that one GP to the user. On the os X you just add the app that they are aloud to use by dragging an instance of it on the user, and selecting deny or allow, now, its not ALL that simple, but it can be, and it can be as granular or more granular than any windows server software.

macs are very proprietary, but i think thats why they work so much better. oh and whoever said they didnt like their mac cuz it didnt game, i do agree w/ that. i have my PC for gaming. hopefully macs will get a better software backing when they move to intel.

coolzero... the reason macs aren't hacked is because of the kernal they are based on. its not very well known and nobody hacks it. even if it is because not many ppl use it, what difference does that make? the fact is its more secure. and its still a good reason to use them. i would rather use a less known OS that is more secure, than use windows and leave all my personal info open to the world cuz their security sux. Im not saying Macs cant be hacked or given viruses and stuff, im just saying they dont and that is a plus in my book.

*edit* for those who think you can't administer OS X, you are wrong. it has all the same capabilities. although they may not be as obvious and easily administered, it is possible. its based on UNIX. it can do just about anything a UNIX server can do. you can even use it as an apache server lol. it may be easier to administer windows, but maybe, just maybe that means that window's is made for the average, not necessarily so intelligent, user.

trust me.. administering a mac system is far easyer and less stressfull then maniging a novell or server 2003 system

I dont think that I would ever buy a mac system until they have full compatibility with all games on the market.

Nah, I have no reason to. But I don't hate/despise Apple, I just don't care.

I'm not a fan of Macs... thats because Im annoyed by the their renaming of technologies like Airport (802.11x), G5 (IBM PowerPC), etc. to make it sound like they invented them. Oh and isnt the G4 'velocity engine' similar to MMX... read that in an CPU architecture article once... lots of hype on those Macs...

I digress... when it comes to Apple in server use... does an OS X server have terminal service capabilities, so that users can login from workstations for remote sessions? As well, while some pointed out that Macs have user administration abilities, can you administer group policies... a powerful feature of Win2003 Server?

I do feel that this is a bright move for Apple to go x86... although they will be much closer to PCs, at least they can be used by real people. So much software used in todays business world is x86 & Windows, not "Mac". I know for one thing, Ive never seen a MAC Point of Sale machine configured with debit/credit transaction capabilities... maybe the next time you buy groceries it'll be a Mac behind the counter.

If it was amd then yes but not intel

won't change my saying: there is no Imac, it's Ucan, I WON'T