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Finally the 3870 X2 is reviewed |
 Jan 27 2008, 09:51 PM
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http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/ati_hd3870_x2/
I hate to say it but I am seriously doubting the Phenom can keep up with Higherend cards 
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Jan 27 2008, 10:20 PM
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 Audio Nut  Posts: 6,677 Joined: 14-February 04 From: Clemson U. Member No.: 8,484 |
I'm surprised by the results...immature drivers more than anything I assume?
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Jan 27 2008, 10:37 PM
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 Posting Nut  Posts: 9,586 Joined: 5-October 03 From: Texas Member No.: 6,351 |
I was wondering why the 3DMark06 scores were so low, I figured it must have been run with a x2 AMD, I was close it was an AMD 4x...
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Jan 27 2008, 10:44 PM
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OCC Boss Posts: 27,159 Joined: 27-April 02 From: Canada Member No.: 521 |
QUOTE (Thewacokid @ Jan 27 2008, 10:20 PM)  I'm surprised by the results...immature drivers more than anything I assume? Hard to say could be drivers could be the Phenom. I would bet the Phenom first just do to the performance loss on the Nvidia cards QUOTE (road-runner @ Jan 27 2008, 10:37 PM) I was wondering why the 3DMark06 scores were so low, I figured it must have been run with a x2 AMD, I was close it was an AMD 4x... You were close lol -------------------- Main Rig
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Jan 27 2008, 11:02 PM
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How loud was this card while playing games or idle?
I see Tom's Hardware has his review up also, but using a different processor. |
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Jan 28 2008, 12:31 AM
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Audio Nut Posts: 6,677 Joined: 14-February 04 From: Clemson U. Member No.: 8,484 |
QUOTE (bosco @ Jan 28 2008, 06:44 AM) Hard to say could be drivers could be the Phenom. I would bet the Phenom first just do to the performance loss on the Nvidia cards Do you have any direct comparisons between the nVidia cards with the Phenom versus the Core 2s? The performance seemed all over the place with the Phenom. -------------------- Desktop: | Q6600 @ 3.2 GHz | 128 GB GSkill Falcon | 8 GB WinTec AmpX | Sapphire 4870 X2 | DFI P35-T2RL | PCP&C Silencer 610 | W7 x64 | HTPC: | X3 720 BE @ 3.4 GHz | 4.5 TB Storage | 8 GB GeIL Black Dragon | PowerColor 4830 | ECS A-780GM-A | ATI Theater 650 Pro | OCZ Fatal1ty 550 | W7 x64 | Router/VPN/Compiling: | Opteron 175 | 4 GB DDR 500 | S3 Trio PCI VGA | Asus A8N-SLI SE | SinTek 500SLI | XP Pro | Office: | Dell Precision 390 | Core 2 Duo E6320 | 2 GB DDR2 667 | XFX 7800GT | Fedora 10 / Windows 7 RC | NetBook: | Asus EeePC 900A | 1.6 GHz Atom | 32 GB SSD | 2 GB DDR2 667 | Intel Integrated | W7 x86 | |
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Jan 28 2008, 03:43 AM
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 King of the Autobahn Posts: 9,851 Joined: 4-November 05 From: Hannover, Germany Member No.: 17,834 |
I'll put a chunk of my money on drivers, but also a little on the Phenom. While it doesn't seem to perform badly, the Core 2's tend to be better, so maybe that was what's limiting (as bosco already said)?
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Jan 28 2008, 05:32 AM
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 I've Forgotten, more than you can remember, Posts: 3,205 Joined: 6-February 05 From: I Migrate Member No.: 15,051 |
To answer a couple questions,
I don't find the fans to be very loud. Honestly compared to the 2900 they are silent. Was it the Phenom? How does it perform on a core 2? Well it may be the Phenom and that might explain why when I overclocked the card I had worse scores. Why not a core 2? AMD is ATI and AMD has a new platform that is suppose to be optimized to run with the new ATI cards. I have read some other reviews that were done on Intel systems and the X2 did very well. For you core 2 users sorry, OCC is trying to keep up with the masses and the trend in the enthusiast market is 4 cores. No we are not knocking 2 core users but in order to give the best results, we need to keep up with the times. We do choose the most mainstream processors in our reviews and right now the sweet spot happens to be the Q6600 on the Intel side and Phenom 9600 for AMD. So keeping the sweet spot is where we need to stay, some reviewers have QX9650s and one even has a QX9770 if we conducted reviews with those would anyone be happy. Those chips are expensive and why show something that 90% of our readers can't afford. Just to show how much fire power we have. In the future you might see a benchmark here and there with one or two of those processors but for a sole comparison in certain areas only. I hope that it's a driver issue with the X2 , honestly I do like the card. -------------------- Processors: AMD Phenom 9600 BB, Intel Q6600, AMD Phenom 9900, Intel QX 9650, AMD FX 70 / Motherboards:Gigabyte GA-MA790FX-DQ6, Abit IP35, Asus M3A32-MVP Deluxe, DFI P35 T2R, MSI K9A2 Platinum, Asus L1N64-SLI WS / RAM: Mushkin XP2 / Cases: Thermaltake: Xaser, Shark, Armor, Mozart TX, NZXT: Lexa / PSU: Mushkin, Thermaltake, Coolermaster, Ultra / Hard Drives: Seagate x 3, Maxtor, Western Digital |
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Jan 28 2008, 07:19 AM
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Posting Nut Posts: 9,586 Joined: 5-October 03 From: Texas Member No.: 6,351 |
QUOTE (Raven65 @ Jan 28 2008, 08:32 AM) We do choose the most mainstream processors in our reviews and right now the sweet spot happens to be the Q6600 on the Intel side and Phenom 9600 for AMD. So keeping the sweet spot is where we need to stay, some reviewers have QX9650s and one even has a QX9770 if we conducted reviews with those would anyone be happy. Those chips are expensive and why show something that 90% of our readers can't afford. Just to show how much fire power we have. In the future you might see a benchmark here and there with one or two of those processors but for a sole comparison in certain areas only. With that being said why not a review with a Q6600? -------------------- |
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Jan 28 2008, 08:20 AM
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OCC Boss Posts: 27,159 Joined: 27-April 02 From: Canada Member No.: 521 |
QUOTE (road-runner @ Jan 28 2008, 07:19 AM) With that being said why not a review with a Q6600? As paul stated Why not a core 2? AMD is ATI and AMD has a new platform that is suppose to be optimized to run with the new ATI cards. If we were to do that it would have had to be 16 benchmarks per graph that is alot of time. Paul is going to run it on an Intel Q6600 over the next few days to see how it does 
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Jan 28 2008, 08:42 AM
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I've Forgotten, more than you can remember, Posts: 3,205 Joined: 6-February 05 From: I Migrate Member No.: 15,051 |
QUOTE (road-runner @ Jan 28 2008, 11:19 AM) With that being said why not a review with a Q6600? Given some time maybe we'll start running things on the two platforms. Due to some miscommunication the card did not get to me until Friday. I don't know any website that can get a full review in roughly 2 days. (Welll really 1 since I worked my 24 at the Fire Dept yesterday) I'm also sure that there are other websites who did it on a Q6600. Dave mentioned that I will run some benches on the Q6600 that is true, as soon as I get time I will. But lets look at the most appropriate Review. AMD launches Phenom and Spider with boards and video cards together this is all part of a package to promote their new platform, so why did just about everyone else do it on an Intel?. Sorry, but doesn't it seem like the most logical thing to do Run it the way it is suppose to be. Two years ago if I ran it on an Intel you would be asking why not AMD. In upcoming reviews I will use it on different Intel systems, so keep your eyes out for them. -------------------- Processors: AMD Phenom 9600 BB, Intel Q6600, AMD Phenom 9900, Intel QX 9650, AMD FX 70 / Motherboards:Gigabyte GA-MA790FX-DQ6, Abit IP35, Asus M3A32-MVP Deluxe, DFI P35 T2R, MSI K9A2 Platinum, Asus L1N64-SLI WS / RAM: Mushkin XP2 / Cases: Thermaltake: Xaser, Shark, Armor, Mozart TX, NZXT: Lexa / PSU: Mushkin, Thermaltake, Coolermaster, Ultra / Hard Drives: Seagate x 3, Maxtor, Western Digital |
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Jan 28 2008, 08:51 AM
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Posting Nut Posts: 9,586 Joined: 5-October 03 From: Texas Member No.: 6,351 |
QUOTE (Raven65 @ Jan 28 2008, 10:42 AM) Given some time maybe we'll start running things on the two platforms. Due to some miscommunication the card did not get to me until Friday. I don't know any website that can get a full review in roughly 2 days. (Welll really 1 since I worked my 24 at the Fire Dept yesterday) I'm also sure that there are other websites who did it on a Q6600. Dave mentioned that I will run some benches on the Q6600 that is true, as soon as I get time I will. But lets look at the most appropriate Review. AMD launches Phenom and Spider with boards and video cards together this is all part of a package to promote their new platform, so why did just about everyone else do it on an Intel?. Sorry, but doesn't it seem like the most logical thing to do Run it the way it is suppose to be. Two years ago if I ran it on an Intel you would be asking why not AMD. In upcoming reviews I will use it on different Intel systems, so keep your eyes out for them. Yea I would just like to see how the AMD Quad compares to the Intel Quad is all I was getting at. I think I already know that answer though... -------------------- |
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