Your exactly right.And i own guns to kill.
My rifle is owned primarily to kill deer and varmits.
My shotgun is owned primarily to kill birds and varmits, in this case varmits includes the two legged variety as inside my home i would rather not be shooting through multiple walls for fear of hitting my family.
My handguns are owned to kill anyone who attempts to do me or mine bodily harm and cannot be dissuaded with words and or leaves no alternatives to retaliating with force.
You are quite correct, guns are designed to kill and that is what i use them for. Your objection was?
I've got no objection, but based on your statement there, am I wrong to draw out that these "Un-intentional" massacres would never end.
As long as you justify the need for somethings, the consequences of using those things are justified as well..
To use the analogy of cars (which I don't agree for the same reason xPETEZx stated and a few others), we keep on justifying the use of cars as a method of transport. Thus the polution given out are the consequences that are justified. Want to put an end to pollution by cars? Ban the use of cars.
Similarly, justifying the use of guns for other activities (that may or may not be necessary for our lives). The consequences, in this case, some lunatic/psychopath utilising them for massacres are also justified. The media and many are raving on how to end this. The solution? Ban the use of firearms.
Sure some may say that pollution have been reduced with the use of E-Cars.
I can counter this by saying that they should hunt with arrows instead which is "less" lethal than guns.
I don't mean to attack any of you personally, but unless these issues are sorted out,
Apologize, i was not questioning your argument here. I answered your questions in another post.
To use the cars and pollution argument, if you ban cars we will have to find something to take their place, and it will have its own problems.
Okay, so im justifying the use of guns for activities such as hunting and self defense, but i don't recall justifying massacres. The problem with your argument is that you are blaming the gun for the massacre. Re-read the post you replied to. The Chinese don't have guns so they use knives to achieve the same ends. And i don't know if you have ever been in or seen a knife fight, but i would far rather be shot than knifed. It all boils down to people, place the blame where it belongs, that bushmaster ar did not get up and walk into that school and shoot those kids. Adam whatever-his-name-is did. He could have done exactly the same thing with a knife, a bow, even a baseball bat. They might not have been as effective but he could have achieved the same result.
Oh and btw, bows are not 'less lethal' than guns. A .45 makes a hole about the size of your tthumb, a broad head(arrow tip) has 3+ razor blades that depending on the broad head expand to a radius of up to 4 inches, and my bow can shoot at 320 fps. Thats one heck of a lethal weapon. To top it off the bullet exits out the back but the arrow leaves those razors in there, and even if you get the arrow shaft out the razors are staying put. Again i pick the bullet.
Well I won't go into the technical details (since I'm not qualified by any means :tongue:) but I think you understand where I'm going here.
I'm not saying that you are justifying massacres, but these are the possible consequences that is somewhat indirectly justified by using guns (I'm not sure that justified is the right word, but my vocabularies are limited at this time of night so apologies for any misunderstandings). As long as we use them, those consequences will always be there, however big or small the chances are.
Consequences are always present.
We use a knife to chop foods. Slicing our fingers is one of the many consequences that comes with using a knife.
We use fire to cook foods. Burning our house is one of the many consequences that comes with using fires.
We use cars for transportation. Crashing onto something is one of the consequences that comes with using cars.
Everything we do are always shadowed by consequences.
The problem? Like you, and many others have said, lies withing the Humans.
We go careless, we slice our fingers, set fires, crash, etc because we were careless (or other reasons)
We go crazy, we rape some children, rob people of their things, shoot peoples' children.
Now, you (not you personally SpeedCrazy, but everyone in general) say that the root problem has to be addressed. I agree, and I think we can all agree on the root problem: Humans are not Perfect.
The need for the use of guns to protect ourselves (due to some with 'evil' intentions) and make a living, the need of transportation, the loss of mentality, the loss of responsibility, the defects on human minds.
All these are Human imperfections.
So my question: How Do We Solve Human Imperfections?
The world isn't perfect. Humans aren't perfect. Anything and Everything aren't perfect (except for God, which I believe in). As long as imperfections remains, Problems will always arise. You solve these problems, other problems would rise. It's an endless, vicious cycle. So, how do we stop it?
It's late here, so I'm signing off, leaving those I've written for tomorrow. Night guys.
Edited by vandreadstriker, 20 December 2012 - 08:56 AM.