Uk Isps Agree To Send Music Pirates Warning Letters, What do you think? Options

[jammin]

http://www.overclockersclub.com/news/22772/

The BPI (who represent the Britsh music industry) have agreed on a plan with six leading UK ISPs, which will lead to thousands of net users suspected of illegally sharing music receiving warning letters. The six ISPs who have agreed to co-operate are BT, Orange, Virgin, Tiscali, BSkyB and The Carphone Warehouse. Customers of those ISPs who are alleged of sharing music illegally by the BPI can expect to find warning letters coming to their doors, though there doesn't appear to be any threat of legal action attached to such letters. Consultation has also been under way, which suggests among other things, that serial file sharers could have traffic management imposed on their connections. The BPI itself has gone as far as to suggest a three strike system that would see internet connections cut off for persistent pirates. Is this deal with ISPs a sign that more serious measures will soon be implemented, and is this the right path for the music industry and ISPs to be taking?

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So what do you think?

This post has been edited by jammin: Jul 24 2008, 03:07 PM

[PeterStoba]

Will this happen, this has supposedly been coming for years

[suchuwato]

The sooner it's implemented, the sooner it'll be discarded, so I'm all for it.

[Vermino]

The stricter ISP's get on bandwidth, P2P and this piracy - the faster people will group up and revolt on the company.. It's becomming the housing/oil market bubble. It will never stand up, If an artist got into the business to make millions of dollars, then he got in it for the wrong reason. And if a fan really loves that artist's music, he/she will go out and buy the album or buy the tracks off itune (or whatever software)

Speaking of itunes and the other $.99 softwares where you can download music (legally) - isn't it really just a P2P network but the CEO is paying the taxes and sharing the money with the artists? (i've just heard rumors)

I'm getting sick of hearing how bad ISP is becomming "Big Brother" to us - watching everything we do, downloads, bandwidth, etc etc. I serious hope something happens because you can't become so restrictive to us when technology is becomming even greater (speaking of bandwidth limits a month)

just my 2 cents

[LoArmistead]

"Big Brother" is right. I think it's nothing less than I would expect from the UK...

Enjoy.

[Necron80]

This make me sick!
Why the hell should we pay more to the ISP's for more bandwidth.
When they are telling us you can and cant do this that or the other.
I personally pay ~ $90 a month for a 10 Mb connection. And its sure as hell isn't for playing WOW or surfing the web.
I can do that on a 3 MB connection just fine. I have more bandwidth for downloading.
If I download some music and I like it. I go out and pick it up. Same thing for software.
That and a large % of the music I listen to comes out of Europe and Japan.
There are not a whole lot of music shops in my area that have it in stock and some cant even order it.

I can under stand that every one need there cut. But CD prices haven't went down.
What use to take 10's of 1000's of dollars of equipment now can be done on a MAC laptop.
There is really no need to charge 100 bucks for a 5 CD set that has been out for 12 years.
I think they have made there money back on it.

[PeterStoba]

I'd happily buy my music, but some of it you just can't as it doesn't exist on cd

[Vermino]

what i dont get is, P2P is people sharing with people (no money transaction)

isnt a library the SAME thing. We go there to check out a book, we can read it as long as we want (we could keep it if we want, they will just not rent out to us again), but if we really like it - we would go out and buy it ourselves. P2P is the samething, we rent out the music, if it's an alright song - oh well, but if i really like it I'm going to support that artist to keep him in business.

. like artists dont make enough money as is already. (i know, all we see in the news side of it) but they arent living the bad life, no doubt - but this isnt the 90's anymore, you can't just make "one" hit song and then throw the rest of your album together like paste and glue, then call it good. Samething for software engineers, if they want to stop piracy on their games - you must step to the time, because it's all about multiplayer. if you just make a singleplayer game, anyone can key it - and that's your fault. I still buy games if i really like it, but being $50-60 now a days - if you half-. on something, why should i have to be burned by buying it.. (we all have, World Of Conflict was mine - just wasnt my playstyle)

And when it comes to bandwidth limitation, umm what's going to happen when all these new MMO's are comming out (Age of Conan, Warhammer, Huxley) you know how fast bandwidth sucks up from that - so now i payed $59-69 for the game, $10-20/mo and then $50-100/mo for bandwidth on it? HA - is it me or does everyone feel like they are gonna get screwed? well except for ISP. They will probably say "there is only soo much bandwidth in the world" *rolls eyes* - also there is only so much water on earth, but just because someone drinks it doesnt mean it disappears.

I seriously hope comcast,Cox,and timer warner feel it bad in the a$$ with their throttling on P2P - I pay top dollar for maxmium bandwidth, I take for respoinsiblility in whatever illegal action i may have broken - but I dont need someone looking over my shoulder to tell me right from wrong.

sorry for my 2nd 2 cents, but this stuff really make me want to vent and it's getting really sick listening to all this nickpicking (with EVERYTHING in the news, including this)

[Silverfox]

Let's put it this way - this will work for those people that use public trackers and awful programs like Limewire and Kazaa/eDonkey.

For those people using private trackers with encryption on their torrents, I don't see this working at all, especially when any number of ports could be used to send data via torrents.

Pick on the general public, who probably pirate the least. It'll make them fortunes, while they "lose" revenue (note: how can you lose revenue that you would never have made?!) to the hardcore mob who carry on like nothing has happened.

[LoArmistead]

I'm enjoying it

I hope you bring this anger to the polls come election time. It's about time y'all get some less intrusive government in office. This crap is 100% political, and the prospect of this happening pisses me off just as much as it does ya'll. Fortunately we haven't reached the point where the primary role of the government is to decide what is in our best interest for us (at least not yet...we're still getting there fast)

[exeter_acres]

what i dont get is, P2P is people sharing with people (no money transaction)

isnt a library the SAME thing.

You are required to return the bok and if you do not, you are charged....

if you copy the book and give to others, it is Illegal....

no...they are not the same thing at all......

[Great_Gig]

Vermino, you are talking utter crap............ and

I take for respoinsiblility in whatever illegal action i may have broken - but I dont need someone looking over my shoulder to tell me right from wrong.

is just the sort of remark I am coming to expect from a lot of the people on this forum, who clearly have little regard for honesty and integrity. Many of you, as always these days just shift the blame for their illegal actions. File sharing of music is theft, plain and simple - it matters not whether you agree with it, or if you think the music industry makes enough money already or what other crass argument you come up with to justify your illegal actions. There are countless rules/laws I disagree with, but I try to follow them out of respect for others and if I break them, then I expect to suffer the consequences and not blame somebody else for my indiscretions. Warning letters will no doubt make most of you laugh and think suckers, you won't stop me, which is correct. Moral fibre, respect for your fellow man and a conscience is the only thing that will do that. When you have people who think going to a library is somewhere you get a book and "we could keep it if we want, they will just not rent out to us again" is acceptable behaviour, then the situation will never improve. And while this type of behaviour continues governments will unfortunately try harder to prevent it. That worries me as my freedom is being infringed upon because of the actions of people who just don't care. Governments and the Police are not the ones who should have to do this, society as it grows and develops should be able to police itself.

So, bring it on I say, but it's too little too late and whilst there are people around, who have the skill and knowledge to circumvent whatever actions honest people take to prevent it, then the majority who are honest, will continue to suffer. It will never be stopped whilst a small minority of people who can manipulate it, continue to consider it OK to rip each other off. You say it makes you sick? well it sure as hell makes me sick too........ but for different reasons than you. I have had a lot of latent anger building about this subject from a previous topic about the cost of PC games, which went off topic to discuss piracy - a large majority supported it and argued vociferously to defend it. I was extremely disappointed in these views as this is a great forum with a huge amount of knowledge and experience on tap and a lot of honest helpful members too.

I guess I am probably self banning myself from the forum now and may not receive the help and support I have had up until now - but so be it. Thanks to the guys who have helped me out, its been appreciated and I have learnt an awful lot in a very short time.