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Spanking is not always needed and is the last resort. This father did exactly as you just said and sure as hell prevented her from doing it again.

It's still an embarrassing, over-reactive, waste of money if you ask me.

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Lol, TJ, you sound like planning to have a child will stop them from being a helion in their teen years. And you are so wrong it's not even funny.

 

You misunderstood me to the N'th degree that it isn't even funny Niko. How many times did I say that there you should have weighed the pros AND THE CONS. I did say there were cons. But you guys almost sound like you are itemizing them. Like when they get to their teen years and they are all rebellious that they are damaged goods.

 

I am saying that having a kid is an ordeal. It has its up and I most certainly would agree with all of you that it has it downs. But don't go around saying that they put you through hell. You can say that they piss you off. You can say that they drive you nuts sometimes. That I will agree with and probably then some. But if they are going to the point of torturing you as if it were hell sounds a little over the line.

 

If they are truly making it hell on you, then it sounds like you didn't see it coming.

 

Second off, not all teenagers are bad. You make it sound like just because we are a bit younger than you guys we are all just the worst people on the planet. I mean how many times have I give you advice directly Niko? Hmm? I took my time to do that for you as an act of kindness. Did I give you the middle finger, say I hate you, and then stomp up to my room and slam the door shut (I am being ironic based on what normally see on tv). Noooooo.

 

I am 19 years old. I have rewritten a lot of the laws in my area to benefit women with abusive husbands and laws to help children in abusive families at the age of 15. I even took part in reshaping the local educational system to allow high school students to dual enroll in college. At the age of 17 I had an associates of science. At the age of 19 I now have the money to go to William and Mary to study law and politics. I want to be able to bridge a peace between all human beings. And I know I will die short of completing any of my goals.

 

Now what part of that sounds to you like I am some sort of rebellious snot?......Other than this whole argument of course. Half the reason I am so pissed is because so many parents out there segregate their kids because they are younger. Just because I am younger does not mean I a incapable of surpassing you even without your backwards lessons.

 

I mean what is the difference between between segregating women, African Americans, even the Jewish people in regards to eygp? Really any sort of intolerance is all based on segregation or vice versa if you prefer. Normally, most segregation is based upon preconceptions that another walk of life is stupid. When the Africans were enslaved, they were thought of as stupid people, before the womans right movement, they too were thought of as being stupid. Even as an example, when my mom said she was going to college, her dad beat her for being so stupid. "No female should go to college", those were my own grandfathers exact words to my mom.

 

When you guys say that children need to learn lessons. They aren't life lessons. They are YOUR lessons. When a slave acted out and was beaten it was because he or she needed to learn their lesson and place, when a woman was beaten and abused in the 50s it was because she needed to learn her place as a woman, when the Jewish people were fed to the crocodiles, it was because they needed to learn their lesson. You know what half of these lessons were? It was about their place being under the master. Absolutley, positively, and unequivocally these lessons flat out wrong and they were simply the MASTERS LESSONS...... Not life lessons..... (That may be a bit hard to read. I apologize, I am getting tired)

 

Here we have a similar situation. We have a group of people (children) who are thought of as being stupid and below another group of people (elders) and the people on the bottom are punished because they need to learn their lesson aka place. The cycle continues because people who do think spanking is ok had it worse when they were kids. So as long as they are doing better than their parents, then it is ok. However, it is still wrong.

 

I know half of you people aren't going to see it because that is totally normal. Beating a slave was totally normal back in the 1800s and beating a woman was common place not too long ago. Spanking, which I do consider a form of beating, you guys just see it with your big flashy rose color glasses to make it seem more palatable, is normal today. But as time has passed and will soon pass, all of these things are viewed as barbaric.

 

All this is is a new chapter in desegregation. Soon we will be looking into the history books and be talking about how the people of today were so cruel. I guarantee you it will happen and here is why. The Africans had champions to follow, and so did the women. Even the Jewish people had moses. Martin Luther King Jr. and Rosa Parks for the African Community, while Susan B Anthony and Rosy the Riveter for the women. You all will be witness to a champion for children. I doubt that will be me, but you will see it soon considering all the social media in which kids can find a way to freely express themselves and form a rebellion as we have seen in the video itself.

 

The history of child suffrage goes back to a period in which children were chained to a post to do labor. Since then we have had child labor laws. Later on, people were killing their kids because the lashings the parents would give them would get infected and they would die from various illness. Since then we have a limit on the punishment which can be delivered to a child. This is nothing but a slow moving progress towards absolute abolishment of child cruelty.

 

What this child has done is nothing more than take part in another step in the process. This is not something that is up to the adult to just stamp out. This is something that will grow regardless of parent intervention. It will become a full on movement, and soon enough kids will have a new place in this world.

 

Of course this will be met with its own challenges. Gangs, violence, social discord, and panic are all to be expected. But I suppose it is a small price to pay to be recognized for our own individual persons rather than be collectively called hell brining children .

 

I will end it with why I am so pissed. To say that kids need to know their place or learn their lesson means you think that you are above them because you know your place, and you have learned your lessons. Well I think that is incredibly insulting to the kids, because they are a lot smarter than you think. Adults are so concerned about respecting superiors that you have neglected all the other truly important lessons. For instance, killing others seems to be a pretty common thing among adults. Believe it or not, the ones who were spanked, still seem to more people than the ones who weren't ie politicians.

 

By saying that children are beneath you means that I am beneath you, it means that your kids are beneath you, it means that all kids are beneath you. Do you really feel that way?

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Stoner - I really like you........... I really do. But it's like this. Everyone who is a parent has already gone through many if not all the exact same things that all of you younger folks are experiencing right now. It's like a rookie quarterback going to his first Super Bowl and exclaiming that he knows more about winning this game than the veteran who has been there three times before.

 

As for being a parent I have to raise my hand three times. My youngest is 20 and oldest is 26. Plus I have four grandchildren. I think that qualifies me :)

I understand where you both are coming from and know full well I don't and couldn't know or understand fully due to well not being a parent.

 

However can you see where I am coming from in my last post or did I ramble a bit?

 

I just cannot see how anyone can blind themselves to someone else due to age, group or other discriminating factors. There are people always that are exceptions.

 

I would say also the way I have grown up I would understand a lot of the troubles parents are faced with. For ten years I shared a room with my brother who has been diagnosed with high functioning autism.

 

For those that know what it is, they would understand how difficult it is to deal with as parent, teacher, brother/sister, relative or friend. In later years he has come forward in leaps and bounds but when I was with him I needed to grow up real fast (6 year age difference helped) so as to be able to reason with, help and even just interact with him.

 

Furthermore in later years my mum has confided lots in me and regularly discusses her work stresses with me. She is a kindergarten teacher of a specialist group that deals with children undergoing a second year of pre-school. As such the large number of the children she has have some social disorder or other. I know I could never even hope to work as well as she does with children and parent alike (that can be far worse than the children). However I do hope that the years I have watched her and the way she interacts with others, have not been to waste.

 

I know I am still no parent but I don't believe I am entirely dismissible when talking about raising children.

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It's still an embarrassing, over-reactive, waste of money if you ask me.

 

Over reactive.....Nah....waste of money maybe but thats his prerogative to make the point it cost a little something. To him it was worth the cost.

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You misunderstood me to the N'th degree that it isn't even funny Niko. How many times did I say that there you should have weighed the pros AND THE CONS. I did say there were cons. But you guys almost sound like you are itemizing them. Like when they get to their teen years and they are all rebellious that they are damaged goods.

 

I am saying that having a kid is an ordeal. It has its up and I most certainly would agree with all of you that it has it downs. But don't go around saying that they put you through hell. You can say that they piss you off. You can say that they drive you nuts sometimes. That I will agree with and probably then some. But if they are going to the point of torturing you as if it were hell sounds a little over the line.

 

If they are truly making it hell on you, then it sounds like you didn't see it coming.

 

Second off, not all teenagers are bad. You make it sound like just because we are a bit younger than you guys we are all just the worst people on the planet. I mean how many times have I give you advice directly Niko? Hmm? I took my time to do that for you as an act of kindness. Did I give you the middle finger, say I hate you, and then stomp up to my room and slam the door shut (I am being ironic based on what normally see on tv). Noooooo.

 

I am 19 years old. I have rewritten a lot of the laws in my area to benefit women with abusive husbands and laws to help children in abusive families at the age of 15. I even took part in reshaping the local educational system to allow high school students to dual enroll in college. At the age of 17 I had an associates of science. At the age of 19 I now have the money to go to William and Mary to study law and politics. I want to be able to bridge a peace between all human beings. And I know I will die short of completing any of my goals.

 

Now what part of that sounds to you like I am some sort of rebellious snot?......Other than this whole argument of course. Half the reason I am so pissed is because so many parents out there segregate their kids because they are younger. Just because I am younger does not mean I a incapable of surpassing you even without your backwards lessons.

 

I mean what is the difference between between segregating women, African Americans, even the Jewish people in regards to eygp? Really any sort of intolerance is all based on segregation or vice versa if you prefer. Normally, most segregation is based upon preconceptions that another walk of life is stupid. When the Africans were enslaved, they were thought of as stupid people, before the womans right movement, they too were thought of as being stupid. Even as an example, when my mom said she was going to college, her dad beat her for being so stupid. "No female should go to college", those were my own grandfathers exact words to my mom.

 

When you guys say that children need to learn lessons. They aren't life lessons. They are YOUR lessons. When a slave acted out and was beaten it was because he or she needed to learn their lesson and place, when a woman was beaten and abused in the 50s it was because she needed to learn her place as a woman, when the Jewish people were fed to the crocodiles, it was because they needed to learn their lesson. You know what half of these lessons were? It was about their place being under the master. Absolutley, positively, and unequivocally these lessons flat out wrong and they were simply the MASTERS LESSONS...... Not life lessons..... (That may be a bit hard to read. I apologize, I am getting tired)

 

Here we have a similar situation. We have a group of people (children) who are thought of as being stupid and below another group of people (elders) and the people on the bottom are punished because they need to learn their lesson aka place. The cycle continues because people who do think spanking is ok had it worse when they were kids. So as long as they are doing better than their parents, then it is ok. However, it is still wrong.

 

I know half of you people aren't going to see it because that is totally normal. Beating a slave was totally normal back in the 1800s and beating a woman was common place not too long ago. Spanking, which I do consider a form of beating, you guys just see it with your big flashy rose color glasses to make it seem more palatable, is normal today. But as time has passed and will soon pass, all of these things are viewed as barbaric.

 

All this is is a new chapter in desegregation. Soon we will be looking into the history books and be talking about how the people of today were so cruel. I guarantee you it will happen and here is why. The Africans had champions to follow, and so did the women. Even the Jewish people had moses. Martin Luther King Jr. and Rosa Parks for the African Community, while Susan B Anthony and Rosy the Riveter for the women. You all will be witness to a champion for children. I doubt that will be me, but you will see it soon considering all the social media in which kids can find a way to freely express themselves and form a rebellion as we have seen in the video itself.

 

The history of child suffrage goes back to a period in which children were chained to a post to do labor. Since then we have had child labor laws. Later on, people were killing their kids because the lashings the parents would give them would get infected and they would die from various illness. Since then we have a limit on the punishment which can be delivered to a child. This is nothing but a slow moving progress towards absolute abolishment of child cruelty.

 

What this child has done is nothing more than take part in another step in the process. This is not something that is up to the adult to just stamp out. This is something that will grow regardless of parent intervention. It will become a full on movement, and soon enough kids will have a new place in this world.

 

Of course this will be met with its own challenges. Gangs, violence, social discord, and panic are all to be expected. But I suppose it is a small price to pay to be recognized for our own individual persons rather than be collectively called hell brining children .

 

I will end it with why I am so pissed. To say that kids need to know their place or learn their lesson means you think that you are above them because you know your place, and you have learned your lessons. Well I think that is incredibly insulting to the kids, because they are a lot smarter than you think. Adults are so concerned about respecting superiors that you have neglected all the other truly important lessons. For instance, killing others seems to be a pretty common thing among adults. Believe it or not, the ones who were spanked, still seem to more people than the ones who weren't ie politicians.

 

By saying that children are beneath you means that I am beneath you, it means that your kids are beneath you, it means that all kids are beneath you. Do you really feel that way?

Blah blah blah. You're right and everyone else is wrong. Happy now? :rolleyes:

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You misunderstood me to the N'th degree that it isn't even funny Niko. How many times did I say that there you should have weighed the pros AND THE CONS. I did say there were cons. But you guys almost sound like you are itemizing them. Like when they get to their teen years and they are all rebellious that they are damaged goods.

 

I am saying that having a kid is an ordeal. It has its up and I most certainly would agree with all of you that it has it downs. But don't go around saying that they put you through hell. You can say that they piss you off. You can say that they drive you nuts sometimes. That I will agree with and probably then some. But if they are going to the point of torturing you as if it were hell sounds a little over the line.

 

If they are truly making it hell on you, then it sounds like you didn't see it coming.

 

Second off, not all teenagers are bad. You make it sound like just because we are a bit younger than you guys we are all just the worst people on the planet. I mean how many times have I give you advice directly Niko? Hmm? I took my time to do that for you as an act of kindness. Did I give you the middle finger, say I hate you, and then stomp up to my room and slam the door shut (I am being ironic based on what normally see on tv). Noooooo.

 

I am 19 years old. I have rewritten a lot of the laws in my area to benefit women with abusive husbands and laws to help children in abusive families at the age of 15. I even took part in reshaping the local educational system to allow high school students to dual enroll in college. At the age of 17 I had an associates of science. At the age of 19 I now have the money to go to William and Mary to study law and politics. I want to be able to bridge a peace between all human beings. And I know I will die short of completing any of my goals.

 

Now what part of that sounds to you like I am some sort of rebellious snot?......Other than this whole argument of course. Half the reason I am so pissed is because so many parents out there segregate their kids because they are younger. Just because I am younger does not mean I a incapable of surpassing you even without your backwards lessons.

 

I mean what is the difference between between segregating women, African Americans, even the Jewish people in regards to eygp? Really any sort of intolerance is all based on segregation or vice versa if you prefer. Normally, most segregation is based upon preconceptions that another walk of life is stupid. When the Africans were enslaved, they were thought of as stupid people, before the womans right movement, they too were thought of as being stupid. Even as an example, when my mom said she was going to college, her dad beat her for being so stupid. "No female should go to college", those were my own grandfathers exact words to my mom.

 

When you guys say that children need to learn lessons. They aren't life lessons. They are YOUR lessons. When a slave acted out and was beaten it was because he or she needed to learn their lesson and place, when a woman was beaten and abused in the 50s it was because she needed to learn her place as a woman, when the Jewish people were fed to the crocodiles, it was because they needed to learn their lesson. You know what half of these lessons were? It was about their place being under the master. Absolutley, positively, and unequivocally these lessons flat out wrong and they were simply the MASTERS LESSONS...... Not life lessons..... (That may be a bit hard to read. I apologize, I am getting tired)

 

Here we have a similar situation. We have a group of people (children) who are thought of as being stupid and below another group of people (elders) and the people on the bottom are punished because they need to learn their lesson aka place. The cycle continues because people who do think spanking is ok had it worse when they were kids. So as long as they are doing better than their parents, then it is ok. However, it is still wrong.

 

I know half of you people aren't going to see it because that is totally normal. Beating a slave was totally normal back in the 1800s and beating a woman was common place not too long ago. Spanking, which I do consider a form of beating, you guys just see it with your big flashy rose color glasses to make it seem more palatable, is normal today. But as time has passed and will soon pass, all of these things are viewed as barbaric.

 

All this is is a new chapter in desegregation. Soon we will be looking into the history books and be talking about how the people of today were so cruel. I guarantee you it will happen and here is why. The Africans had champions to follow, and so did the women. Even the Jewish people had moses. Martin Luther King Jr. and Rosa Parks for the African Community, while Susan B Anthony and Rosy the Riveter for the women. You all will be witness to a champion for children. I doubt that will be me, but you will see it soon considering all the social media in which kids can find a way to freely express themselves and form a rebellion as we have seen in the video itself.

 

The history of child suffrage goes back to a period in which children were chained to a post to do labor. Since then we have had child labor laws. Later on, people were killing their kids because the lashings the parents would give them would get infected and they would die from various illness. Since then we have a limit on the punishment which can be delivered to a child. This is nothing but a slow moving progress towards absolute abolishment of child cruelty.

 

What this child has done is nothing more than take part in another step in the process. This is not something that is up to the adult to just stamp out. This is something that will grow regardless of parent intervention. It will become a full on movement, and soon enough kids will have a new place in this world.

 

Of course this will be met with its own challenges. Gangs, violence, social discord, and panic are all to be expected. But I suppose it is a small price to pay to be recognized for our own individual persons rather than be collectively called hell brining children .

 

I will end it with why I am so pissed. To say that kids need to know their place or learn their lesson means you think that you are above them because you know your place, and you have learned your lessons. Well I think that is incredibly insulting to the kids, because they are a lot smarter than you think. Adults are so concerned about respecting superiors that you have neglected all the other truly important lessons. For instance, killing others seems to be a pretty common thing among adults. Believe it or not, the ones who were spanked, still seem to more people than the ones who weren't ie politicians.

 

By saying that children are beneath you means that I am beneath you, it means that your kids are beneath you, it means that all kids are beneath you. Do you really feel that way?

 

A child is subordinate to their parents until they come of legal age and are fully able to fend for themselves. That is not 12, 15 or 17 but 18 when the parent has no legal right or legal obligation to guide them. The human is one of if not the only mammal to not be able to fully support themselves until well into their later teen years.

 

I'm done with this one, until you reach the point of having had to discipline a child you will not fully understand. I can appreciate your opinion and we will have to agree to disagree.

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I'm done with this one, until you reach the point of having had to discipline a child you will not fully understand. I can appreciate your opinion and we will have to agree to disagree.

This.

 

I'm a LOT older than him and I'm smart enough to know that until I raise my own child my opinion on the matter is essentially meaningless. :lol:

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Guys I would not have to be such an immature little brat if you could just give me an inch of leeway for some sort of compromise. I feel like I have to use kind of agressive wording just to get your attention. Otherwise I could only assume you would skip right over my posts and not even care. For that matter isn't a little unkind to also say I don't know what I am talking about when I have seen far worse things than what you are talking about, and have actually found a system which has corrected some kids who wanted to actually find a way to kill god? Don't I get a bit of credit for turning a crazed kid into someone who hopefully won't kill people when he grows up by using a system that by all of your accounts should not have worked?

 

@ Cokeman: what you say is fine. But then say your kids drive you crazy. Giving you hell sounds more like they are out to get you. (for instance: My boss is giving me hell) ( see how that can be misconstrued?). Having them go out on their own and making you worry is something I dream of feeling one day. I really want to adopt a kid or two when I am in the financial position to do so and after I get my degree. I hope I get to die with knowing those experiences. I know some of the experiences you talk about, with the kids I work with. Your biology binds you to your kids, and my passion for this subject has binded me to a few kids myself in much the same way. I haven't had the broad spectrum of experiences you have had, however, I have had some very unique ones as you can imagine :lol:

 

Laslty, @ everyone: Look. I get that I am being a real dick to some people (probably most of you) I get that. I truly do wish to apologize. Coming from a neighborhood where all there is around you is nothing but military generals who all think the same, and really don't care about human life at all. For the most part all I know is how to speak sharp words. If you were to say to these people killing is wrong, they would just kind of wave you off. If you were to say something like... wow you people are freaking $Y#($)#)(*$ THEN you start to turn a couple of heads. Believe it or not, this is my language when it is toned down as much as I can get it to go. Freedom of thought is not something I can express respectfully, it is something I have to shout scream and cuss just to get a raised eye.

 

I truly can not tell where you guys think I am being disrespectful. Especially Death Minerals comment. To me this is the most dangerous writing I can do because I am mixing in logic and that always causes confusion. So for me to say something like "then don't have kids" it is logic based. No kids=peaceful life-no percussions of mistakes with child-no financial hassle-no harm-and you can live in a smaller house which means you have less time on cleaning it and more times doing fun adult things what ever they may be. To me that is simple logic. You avoid situations like these and you avoid hitting your kids. For all the adults out there who do have their kids for slave labor, they can just live in an apartment or some small place and not need a slave at all. To me it seems like a cure all idea if you are going to be a borderline abusive parents. To me that is just a great idea to avoid a whole fiasco, not necessarily to say to anyone that they shouldn't have kids because they are the spawn of Satan, but rather because it seems like it solves more problems than it creates.

 

Then I will say things like "you idiots" and that is indeed wrong and I do apologize.

 

You also have to understand that since this whole thing has started I have gotten no sleep, one eye is so blood shot it isn't even funny, I can't stop shaking, I feel sick my mind is racing at one hundred miles an hour because I have seen some terrible things. You guys relate it to crime and punishment which is fair to a certain extent. I can grant that there is a certain amount of your beings that I nor anyone else on this planet can change, and this is probably one of the biggest ones. However, there are nightmares I actually seek out to save people (not just kids, but sometimes mothers too) that you wouldn't even want in your sleep.

 

I am not relating what you are doing to your kids as anything close as to what these people have done. However, I have become extremely polar. I have seen children killed, I have sneaked mothers and children out from under an oppressive father with the police right behind me. I have even had a couple of coked up parents hold a gun to my head for even questioning their parenting.

 

I mean this entire topic thread is really like talking about the war to a guy with post traumatic stress disorder. You guys think it is just normal to punish your kids in such a fashion, but for a person who has made it their life goal to never have to have a situation where a child needs to cry out of fear from their parents no matter what it be. This whole topic is disrespectful to me and the people I have helped and hopefully saved.

 

So basically, I realize I have not been conducting myself in a positive way, but I hope you can at least understand that I really am an army of one over here and this is the sort of language and conduct I usually have to use just to get people to listen at all, and I hope you can forgive me for that.

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