Savan Posted January 16, 2015 Posted January 16, 2015 So its finally time to do an upgrade. I've been rocking an AMD Phenom II 1090t for several years now, and I've finally got some money saved up for what Will Smith would call "The new hotness". I've been rocking AMD cpu's for the past 10 years, but I cant seem to justify how far behind they are on their current offerings vs Intel. (With that said, if anyone has a convincing argument, I'd gladly go AMD, I just have been out of the game for too long to know better. TDP on the fx 9xxx series is just ridiculous) I'll be predominantly gaming (Star Citizen ftw) and on occasion do video editing, and cad work. I've been looking on newegg, and the 4790k's seems reasonable for the performance. With that in mind, I looked at the bundles they have going on, and found 3 that interest me. They are all CPU / Mobo / Ram combo's. I'll hold off on gpu upgrades till the new 3 series amd cards are out. The 3 combos are http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.2086642 CPU $339.99 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117369 MOBO $187.99 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813132116 RAM $149.99 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233310 Combo Price $639.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1719464 CPU $339.99 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117369 MOBO $209.99 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813132125 RAM $159.99 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231617 Combo Price $679.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1716295 CPU $339.99 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117369 MOBO $237.99 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813132124 RAM $139.99 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231627 Combo Price $688.99 What do you guys think / do you have any better ideas. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fight Game Posted January 16, 2015 Posted January 16, 2015 (edited) first 2 links just goes to the deals page. actually it's weird. when I hit them all again, now they all go to the deals page, but I was able to see 1 combo before Edited January 16, 2015 by Fight Game Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savan Posted January 16, 2015 Posted January 16, 2015 Weird, all three links work fine for me. I'll edit the initial post with the parts and price Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fight Game Posted January 16, 2015 Posted January 16, 2015 maybe it's just me, but even with the individual links, it takes me to the newegg home page - most times. I'm sure all those motherboards perform very similar, and the name or speed of the ram doesn't matter. So just get the motherboard that you are sure has all of the features you are going to want. For example if you are going to want the new SSD interface M.2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
El_Capitan Posted January 16, 2015 Posted January 16, 2015 FYI, I'm about to put up some CPU/MB's for sale this weekend (which I do before selling at other forums). What CAD software and what Video Editing software do you use? Depending on the software (and version), hyperthreading is still something that's not effectively utilized by most of these programs, so an i5 equivalent is another option to save some money. Also, there's no good reason to go Haswell or Devil's Canyon unless you want to take advantage of newer technologies like Fight Game's said (like m.2 SSD's). They're always going to be more expensive, and not really needed. The only reason to go Haswell or Devil's Canyon is if you're going for superior custom watercooling and don't mind driving the voltage up to get very high overclocks, like at 4.8GHz or 5.0GHz. Devil's Canyon CPU's are generally better than Haswell for lottery overclocks. However, finding one that gets to 4.8GHz is a very lucky find, and 5.0GHz is pretty rare, if impossible for either. I still favor delidded Ivy Bridge CPU's, since almost all of them will reach 4.9GHz easily (which is equivalent to a Haswell at 4.7GHz), and temperatures are not a problem. Also, "CPU overclock is king" for Haswell/Devil's Canyon, so just get the cheapest memory you can find at 1600MHz. You may not get stable overclocks having your memory at your rated 2133MHz speed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savan Posted January 16, 2015 Posted January 16, 2015 For CAD, its primarily ICEM Surf, and Rhino. I may get a licence from work for UG-NX or Catia at some point. For video, its Sony Vegas for editing, and MSI Afterburner for recording. I didnt really look into any older architectures. Im considering the 4790k over the 4770k because there is apparently a problem with the TIM on the IHS of the 4770's. (+ its faster) I dont plan on watercooling, but will do high end air cooling. I do intend to overclock it though, however high I can on air. I'm not interested in de-lidding, but I may lapp the IHS and the HS. How well does Ivy Bridge do without de-lidding? If the ram doesnt really do much for these architectures, I'll see what I can find as the cheapest 16gb ram and look for CPU/Mobo combos Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
El_Capitan Posted January 16, 2015 Posted January 16, 2015 For CAD, its primarily ICEM Surf, and Rhino. I may get a licence from work for UG-NX or Catia at some point. For video, its Sony Vegas for editing, and MSI Afterburner for recording. I didnt really look into any older architectures. Im considering the 4790k over the 4770k because there is apparently a problem with the TIM on the IHS of the 4770's. (+ its faster) I dont plan on watercooling, but will do high end air cooling. I do intend to overclock it though, however high I can on air. I'm not interested in de-lidding, but I may lapp the IHS and the HS. How well does Ivy Bridge do without de-lidding? If the ram doesnt really do much for these architectures, I'll see what I can find as the cheapest 16gb ram and look for CPU/Mobo combos Ivy Bridge and Haswell have horrible TIM. It doesn't matter if you lap the IHS and HS, the heat will build up in the internal TIM. Delidding doesn't void warranty, but lapping the IHS does, just FYI. Intel will accept delidded CPU's as long as the serial on the IHS matches the CPU. RAM does help on Sandy and Ivy Bridge, as my Samsung's can do 2400MHz and higher, but not so for Haswell/Devil's Canyon. More memory capacity is more important, but for high overclocks, overclocked memory (at 2400Mhz) can help shave off a couple seconds for certain tasks over 1600MHz speeds. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IVIYTH0S Posted January 16, 2015 Posted January 16, 2015 Save your money from other sellers and parts: CPU: http://www.outletpc.com/wj9999-intel-core-i7-4790k.html?utm_source=wj9999-intel-core-i7-4790k&utm_medium=shopping%2Bengine&utm_campaign=pcpartpicker&utm_content=Intel%2B-%2BCPUs%20%28Processors%29%20%3E%20Intel%20Core%20i7 Motherboard: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157501&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID= RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231568&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID= Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savan Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 Ok, so thanks to IVI's recomendation of motherboard, my current plan is: CPU $339.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117369 (I'd go with the place you suggested, but I never remember to do rebates, and the regular price difference doesn't justify the extra shipping) Mobo $129.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157501 Ram $122.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231528 Current Price: $592.97 I'll wait and see what El_Captain has to offer, but this combo is looking pretty tempting. If anyone else has any other suggestions, I'd love to hear them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IVIYTH0S Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 Not bad for the RAM speed increase for the money, but I'll let you slide for 3 dollars...this time Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savan Posted January 18, 2015 Posted January 18, 2015 I'm going to order this in a few hours, unless anybody has any last minute suggestions Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
El_Capitan Posted January 18, 2015 Posted January 18, 2015 (edited) Not sure about ICEM Surf, but Rhino 6.0 still uses only one processor core for most modelling tasks, but plug-ins like V-Ray, Brazil, and Maxwell will use all the available cores. For V-Ray, hyperthreading helps up to 30%. Brazil for Rhino hyperthreading isn't optimized (with hyperthreading = 50% usage on all threads, no hyperthreading =100% usage on all cores). Maxwell for Rhino is unknown, but it probably doesn't hurt. UGS NX makes use of all physical cores if you have UGII_SMP_ENABLE set to 1, but performance degrades with hyperthreading on. Abaqus for Catia doesn't recognize the difference between logical and physical cores, so you'll end up using more tokens (12 tokens compared to 8 tokens), but you're likely to encounter reduced performance since the parallel job competes for the same resources on the logical cores. If the developer handled priority process execution correctly, it could make hyperthreading beneficial, but they don't. Sony Vegas Pro is optimized for hyperthreading, but there are actually no benchmark comparisons for hyperthreading tests, so take that with a grain of salt. The difference between a 3770 and 4770 is 5.8%, so you're not getting much benefit with the newer architecture. So, the only time hyperthreading helps you is if you're using the V-Ray plugin for Rhino. If you're intent on getting an i7, at least go for the 5820K for $50 more so you have two more physical cores. Also, I would avoid motherboards with Killer NIC's right now. ASRock motherboards are good when they work, but their RMA process is a pain. I've had to send in every ASRock motherboard in at least once for RMA, and I've had 5 different ASRock motherboards. Never had I had a problem with any other brand. Edited January 18, 2015 by El_Capitan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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