road-runner Posted October 26, 2007 Posted October 26, 2007 OCC Reviews the Sapphire HD 2600Pro AGP Hmm, interesting a DX10 AGP card. Now all we need is Folding client for the 2x00 series cards. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClayMeow Posted October 26, 2007 Posted October 26, 2007 Would have liked to see benches on 1) a more powerful system (sorry, even most AGP'ers have better systems than that, especially if they game) 2) comparisons against its PCI-Express brethren (or at the very least a more powerful AGP card, like an nvidia 6 or 7 series) Who does this review help exactly? Grandma who would never need DX10? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cchalogamer Posted October 26, 2007 Posted October 26, 2007 1) a more powerful system (sorry, even most AGP'ers have better systems than that, especially if they game) A 3100+ sempron is VERY similar in gaming performance to say a 3000+ Athlon 64, so in reality most of the users who would buy this card are skt 478, 754, or the early 939 users. It seems like a decent middle ground setup for what many AGP users have, heck better than what most AGP users had when they moved to PCI-E 2) comparisons against its PCI-Express brethren (or at the very least a more powerful AGP card, like an nvidia 6 or 7 series) While it's hard to get the "prefered" comparisons I 100% agree, it would be great to see if there's any performance difference in AGP vs PCI-E cards and especially compared to the older options like the x800/6 series cards. Humm come to think of it, Clay, dont you have an "old" 7800GS? maybe you could loan it out for comparison So let's see, take your video card, figure out who it was I sold my old GA-K8NS-939 motherboard to and steal it back, throw in an OCed X2/Opteron w/ 2GB of g.skill for some "top of the line" AGP action Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClayMeow Posted October 26, 2007 Posted October 26, 2007 A 3100+ sempron is VERY similar in gaming performance to say a 3000+ Athlon 64, so in reality most of the users who would buy this card are skt 478, 754, or the early 939 users. It seems like a decent middle ground setup for what many AGP users have, heck better than what most AGP users had when they moved to PCI-EMy current system is 3 years old and has an A64 3500+...way better than a sempron. More importantly is probably the mere 1GB of memory. While it's hard to get the "prefered" comparisons I 100% agree, it would be great to see if there's any performance difference in AGP vs PCI-E cards and especially compared to the older options like the x800/6 series cards. Humm come to think of it, Clay, dont you have an "old" 7800GS? maybe you could loan it out for comparison I told Paul I'd review it if he wanted me to . But technically my 7800GS is brand new seeing as I got it as a replacement for my busted 6800GT a week ago But again, my 3 year old system was running a 6800GT. A 9600XT is 4 years old...plus it doesn't have SM3.0 support, which caused it to not even run some benches. I'm all for testing against the older stuff, but I don't see how that helps anyone. If someone's thinking of upgrading, they need to know whether it's worth sinking money into a dying standard, or if they need to muster up a little more cash to move into the next one. IMO, without comparing to current cards, we don't get that answer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ih8having2createaccts Posted October 31, 2007 Posted October 31, 2007 (edited) first off, all things the same, an amd sempron 3100+ is comparable to an amd athlon 64 3000+ is comparable to an amd athlon xp 3200+ (the latter of which is the processor i use (look at the system specs in my sig, and pity me ). now, there IS a radeon hd 2600 *xt* out in the wild (a couple, actually). i'd go with the visiontek one, because sapphire sucks, and they put NO form of cooling over the memory OR agp to pci-e bridge (the latter of which gets REALLY hot (take it from me, as my sapphire radeon x800 gto (agp) overheats due to what i can only assume is the agp to pci-e bridge's fault)! well, i really shouldn't say that they put *no* form of cooling over the agp to pci-e bridge... they DID put what looks like a freakin' BAND-AID over it!! O.o also, the visiontek version comes with ***DUAL-DVI!!!*** why, OH WHY did sapphire choose NOT to include DUAL-dvi on their agp radeon hds, i will NEVER know! :@ now, what I'D like to know is if the agp radeon hds even IMPLEMENT hdmi, because they sure as heck don't come with the active (keyword: *ACTIVE*) dvi to hdmi converter. if they DO in fact implement hdmi, then does said hdmi implement audio; because THAT'S the selling point for ME. i mean, y'all call these VIDEO cards, but all y'all talk about are GRAPHICS! what i'd like from my radeon hd is the ability to play *FULL* hd video via hdmi (WITH AUDIO). playing half life 2 sort of takes a back seat to video. i mean it's not like i'm going to be playing bioshock or crysis anytime soon (even WITH the xt version). so, can y'all help me out and tell me if the agp radeon hds even have that audio chipset that's on the pci-e versions? i mean, i can't find this info ANYWHERE, and my google "fu" is HIGH! Edited October 31, 2007 by ih8having2createaccts Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctorcilantro Posted November 4, 2007 Posted November 4, 2007 From the VisioTek website (for the AGP 2600xt): "ATI Avivo Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cygnus_x_1 Posted November 10, 2007 Posted November 10, 2007 first off, all things the same, an amd sempron 3100+ is comparable to an amd athlon 64 3000+ is comparable to an amd athlon xp 3200+ (the latter of which is the processor i use (look at the system specs in my sig, and pity me ). now, there IS a radeon hd 2600 *xt* out in the wild (a couple, actually). i'd go with the visiontek one, because sapphire sucks, and they put NO form of cooling over the memory OR agp to pci-e bridge (the latter of which gets REALLY hot (take it from me, as my sapphire radeon x800 gto (agp) overheats due to what i can only assume is the agp to pci-e bridge's fault)! well, i really shouldn't say that they put *no* form of cooling over the agp to pci-e bridge... they DID put what looks like a freakin' BAND-AID over it!! O.o also, the visiontek version comes with ***DUAL-DVI!!!*** why, OH WHY did sapphire choose NOT to include DUAL-dvi on their agp radeon hds, i will NEVER know! :@ now, what I'D like to know is if the agp radeon hds even IMPLEMENT hdmi, because they sure as heck don't come with the active (keyword: *ACTIVE*) dvi to hdmi converter. if they DO in fact implement hdmi, then does said hdmi implement audio; because THAT'S the selling point for ME. i mean, y'all call these VIDEO cards, but all y'all talk about are GRAPHICS! what i'd like from my radeon hd is the ability to play *FULL* hd video via hdmi (WITH AUDIO). playing half life 2 sort of takes a back seat to video. i mean it's not like i'm going to be playing bioshock or crysis anytime soon (even WITH the xt version). so, can y'all help me out and tell me if the agp radeon hds even have that audio chipset that's on the pci-e versions? i mean, i can't find this info ANYWHERE, and my google "fu" is HIGH! sorry for the dealy in posting but the short answer is no, HDMI is not supported on AGP only component out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ih8having2createaccts Posted November 10, 2007 Posted November 10, 2007 sorry for the dealy in posting but the short answer is no, HDMI is not supported on AGP only component out. that doesn't make sense... *NO* hdmi or no sound via hdmi, because, basically, ANY gfx card can "support" hdmi (via a dvi to hdmi converter (or vga to dvi to hdmi converterS )? in case anybody (or everybody ) didn't understand my post, i was asking whether or not the agp versions of the radeon hds support hdmi + sound (cause the radeon hds have audio chipsets on board (although, nobody seems to know this :\ ). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cygnus_x_1 Posted November 10, 2007 Posted November 10, 2007 There is no HDMI (audio) over DVI support on the sapphire HD 2x00 AGP cards http://www.sapphiretech.com/en/productfiles/matrix-vga-1.xls as per the specs from sapphire. HIS is offering HDMI audio and video over DVI on their HD 2600XT cards. http://www.hisdigital.com/html/product_ov....51&view=yes hope this helps. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benny Posted December 4, 2007 Posted December 4, 2007 (edited) Hi Guys, I was thinking of upgrading my aging AGP system (see below) with this card. I wasnt looking to play anything in the league of crysis with this card in my system, i was just looking to play maybe COD4 and a few games i already own. (Css, Bf2) Anyway, do i *need* to plug my power supply into this card, as i dont believe i have a 4 pin connector of that size on my psu ( I have others like the one which goes into my floppy drive but they look much too big to fit into that socket ) Thanks. Asus K8V-SE Duluxe AMD 3400+ @ 2200Mhz 1x256mb and 2x512mb Ram Radeon 9600 AGP 256mb -_- 400watt PSU 80gb Excelstor HD Edited December 4, 2007 by Benny Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cygnus_x_1 Posted December 11, 2007 Posted December 11, 2007 hi benny, thanks for joining. you do not *need* to plug the additional power, but the card will most likely be unstable. the card ships with a power cable that adapts to the floppy 4 pin if you do not have one on your psu. but if you do not have one on yoru psu, then you might want to think about upgrading your psu while your at it. (if you future proof your psu, you can bring it along on your next build) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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